Let us all unite against theanti-Hindu forces in Nepal. CAN WE DO IT?

Let us spread message against what is happening to Nepal.
WE WANT IT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we unite?
This will be the real challenge.
Look at how Indian medicos/engineers are uniting against job reservation.

Well, OUR RELIGION,HINDUISM THE ODLEST RELIGION IS BEING REMOVED FROM NEPAL. AND NO ONE IS BOTHERED? SICKENING.

Do you know what troubles start if this happens.
PLEASE ALL WAKE_UP AND SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE CORRUPT & CROOK POLITICIANS IN NEPAL.

WE WANT NEPAL TO REMAIN HINDU!!!!!!!!!!

SPEAK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some people are thinking & writing that there are no 'christian' countries, that USA/UK are not christian countries.
They are so wrong, BECAUSE USA's creation is based on principles of christianity & judaism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT IS WRONG ABOUT NEPAL BEING A HINDU STATE? THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS CURRENT GOVT HAS BEEN SET-UP BY PRACHANDA, MAOISTS-TERRORISTS & INDIAN/CHINESE COMMUNISTS AND SUPPORTED BY INDIAN & CHINESE GOVT!!!!!
This is the danger for NEPAL!!!!!!!!

Some people have wriiten what is worng with being secular???They do not even know that EXACTLY is the problem. HINDUS AND HNDUISM IS THE MOST TOLERANT OF ALL RELIGIONS AND BY NATURE SECULAR. With almost 94% of Nepal's population being Hindu/Budhist we have had no problem with other religions. BUT OTHER RELIGIONS WILL CREATE PROBLEMS NOW THAT WE ARE SECULAR!!!!!!!!!!

TIME TO WAKE-UP. EVERYONE SAYS THAT HINDUS WILL NOT PROTEST, WELL LET US CHANGE THAT CONCEPT, AND TELL THE ROTTEN POLITICIANS IN NEPAL THAT WE WANT TO REMAIN HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROTEST, SEND MESSAGES, GET SUPPORT, BE AWARE, WE WANT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T KNOW WHY I LIKE TO KEEP ON COMING IN THIS THREAD??LOL..

BATHROOMCOFFE:U LIVE IN UTOPIA.PEACE BROTHER .JUST SING "IMAGINE"

ANYWAYS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SAY.IT IS PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO IS GOING TO IGNITE RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE.MY ANSWER IS THIS
ITS NOT ME ITS SHORTSIGHTED PEOPLE LIKE U WHO LIKE TO PLAY WITH SENTIMENTS OF PEOPLE.U CAN POINT FINGER AND ME SO CAN I.

THIS IS CALLED LACK OF VISION ON PART OF SPA FOR NEPAL.THEY ARE REAL DUMB ASS DONKEYS.INSTEAD OF TAKING ONE
STEP AND TIME FOR BETTERMENT OF POOR AND NEEDY NEPALESE.THEY JUST WANT TO JUMP ON THE TOP.AND U KNOW
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN U JUMP.SINCE IT IS VERY HIGH AND SPA ARE NOT GOOD ATHELETS THEY ARE MOST LIKELY TO FALL.WITH THEIR FALL THEY TAKE US.

U WILL WITNESS THE MOST RELIGIOUS DESCRIMINATION U HAVE NEVER EVER WITNESSED IN THE HISTORY OF NEPAL(NOT SAYING THERE WASN'T ANY
FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAST REFLEX ACTION AND LIKE TO MAKE OTHER PEOPLES STATEMENT THEIR BEGININGS)

THE GAME AS JUST BEGUN.JUST WAIT AND WATCH THE GAME.SPA HAS DONE GREAT JOB PLANTING SEEDS OF HATE.THE FRUIT IS YET TO BE SEEN.

USA's creation is based on principles of christianity & judaism

Hey kalki i am not sure with that words..if it is based in that principle why is it so hard to write merry christmas in the chrstmas instead write happy holiday?Last year white house didin't write merry chrismas instead wrote happy holidays? have you heard this?
they say america is the country with different religions so it is not good to emphasize on religions......
Even big corporation like walmart,target and others don't write merry chirstmas instead they write happy holidays respecting other people cultures...even in easter some school banned bunny and some state thing it is not good to put bunny.saying it might hurt other religions..that has happened even in christmas....what a stupid things i hear in news...this country is full of crhistian and i know half of the people even don't care and some people who care comes to TV news like fox news and talk about this issue..i was amazed to see their christmas words also in controversy...so on what basis you say the above words....

Even though US is a secular state its laws are based on Ten Commandments.

ssk.
yes to some extent USa's creation was based on principles of christianity & judaism. But not fully. History of USA is testimony to it. Just being free in religious values doesnt make US a free religious country. Just read the history of USA and Christianity. You will find out what is what? USA is free for all because it takes religion materialistically. Just science has done so much progress there doesnt mean that we should follow what they follow in their soil.

Public monuments and controversy in the USA
See also: Roy Moore, Van Orden v. Perry, Separation of church and state in the United States

There is an ongoing dispute in the United States concerning the posting of the Ten Commandments on public property. Certain conservative religious groups, alarmed by the banning of officially-sanctioned prayer from public schools by the U.S. Supreme Court, have sought to protect their right to express their religious beliefs in public life. As a result they have successfully lobbied many state and local governments to display the ten commandments in public buildings. As seen above, any attempt to post the Decalogue on a public building necessarily takes a sectarian stance; Protestants and Roman Catholics number the commandments differently. Hundreds of these monuments – including some of those causing dispute – were originally placed by director Cecil B. DeMille as a publicity stunt to promote his 1956 film The Ten Commandments.[5]

Secularists and most liberals oppose the posting of the Ten Commandments on public property, arguing that it is violating the separation of church and state. Conservative groups claim that the commandments are not necessarily religious but represent the moral and legal foundation of society. Secularist groups counter that they are explicitly religious and that statements of monotheism like "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" are unacceptable to many religious viewpoints, such as atheists or followers of polytheistic religions. In addition, if the Commandments were posted, it would require that members of other religions be allowed to post the particular tenets of their religions as well. For example, an organization by the name of Summum has won court cases against municipalities in Utah for refusing to allow the group to erect a monument of Summum aphorisms next to the Ten Commandments. The cases were won on the grounds that Summum's right to freedom of speech was denied and the governments had engaged in discrimination. Instead of allowing Summum to erect its monument, the local governments chose to remove their Ten Commandments.

Some religious Jews oppose the posting of the Ten Commandments in public schools, as they feel it is wrong for public schools to teach their children Judaism. The argument is that if a Jewish parent wishes to teach their child to be a Jew (as most do), then this education should come from practicing Jews, and not from non-Jews. This position is based on the demographic fact that the vast majority of public school teachers in the United States are not Jews; the same is true for the students. This same reasoning and position is also held by many believers in other religions. Many Christians have some concerns about this as well; for example, can Catholic parents count on Protestant or Orthodox Christian teachers to tell their children their particular understanding of the commandments? Differences in the interpretation and translation of these commandments, as noted above, can sometimes be significant.

Organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) have launched lawsuits challenging the posting of the ten commandments in public buildings. Opponents of these displays include a number of religious groups, including some Christian denominations, both because they don't want government to be issuing religious doctrine, and because they feel strongly that the commandments are inherently religious. Many commentators see this issue as part of a wider kulturkampf (culture struggle) between liberal and conservative elements in American society. In response to the perceived attacks on traditional society other legal organizations, such as Liberty Counsel have risen to defend the traditional interpretation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

it takes religion materialistically

You are right othewise people over here might have been fighting in the street..


okay by everybody..it was nice discussion,.

Shiv,

"The Hindu state was symbolic and did not benefit any priests or class. There are laws against chuwa/chut and religious discrimination."

This is a ridiculous claim. Nepali royalty and high caste Hindus derive their status in Nepali society from the state sanctioned religion. Removing Hindu title will give all Nepalis a leveled playing field on a long run (not overnight).

Why are Hindus in Sajha so riled up about this issue? I do not see Hindus in Nepal as concerned as Hindus in Sajha? Is it because your faith is so shallow that you need a state to protect the special status you enjoy due to the religion? If you are so threatened by Christian and Islamic missionaries converting lower caste Hindus, then you need to first accept the problem and start treating your the disadvantaged Hindu brothers and sister better. You need to apologize to the lower caste for the centuries old suppression and discrimination and try to help them out. You cannot ask for the state to stop lower caste and Janajatis from converting so that you can take advantage of them. Seriously, if you really think Hinduism is as great as you think, then you have nothing to fear. I think the greatest threat to Hinduism comes from your inferiority complex, fundamentalism, and your unwillingness to accept problems and lack of reform.

mr pats,
are u following this thread carefully or just jumping in claiming the all hindus of sajah have shallow faith.reading one or two threads.Did u hear all the arguments to and for nepal hindu country and did u hear all the arguments against it??
there is 149 posting please read them all.
it just make me amazes me seeing innocent people like u .U really think nepali hindu are not bothered at all!!!!u really see the bright future of nepal in the hands of undemocratic SPA and ur faith is stonger and all here have shallow faith..good going..

you guys can all kiss their as s you people were the once supporting the movement
now you have to go with your netas even if maos starts to kill people.............................never satisfied

pat,
Why dont you give me an example from where the "state sanctioned" religion benefited a specific caste or class. The royals had benefited from being in power, simply being in power -religion has nothing to do with it. The royals should be excluded from the discussion simply because if they are included it will skew the results.
Lets go down to the peoples level you and me. Did it ever benefit me or anyone I know from Nepal being a hindu state? Heck No. It does not have any practical implications other than killing a cow and the missionaries, nothing more. The missionaries have been in business in Nepal for a very long time, even though there were laws against it.
Do I oppose peoples right to choose the religion they want? NO. Do I have a problem when the missionaries try to convert? May be but not a major concern. I have a big problem when they forcefully trick people into their religion. I have no problem when people change religion, change faith. I respect that.

Nepali culture in itself is "secular". I know many families who hold contrasting beliefs from one another but they live lovingly together. Why was there a need to be a secular state? Now? It is not because people wanted it, or people have anything to do with it. If secularism is what people want - I respect that. But where is the mandate?

I have many friends from different faiths and I respect them and they respect my sentiments. It has nothing to do with anything else.
I have no problem with your "labels" pleas feel free to call me what ever you want.

Dont worry people in Nepal will start showing their dissatisfaction about being secular. Right now they are too concerned and confused about the whole situation. I have heard so many angry comments about it already, its coming!

People like you are psyched by idea of change, any idea and accept just because it sounds cool and do not understand the consequences or do not care to understand consequences. It is called modern day pseudo-intellectualism. One day you will start searching your identity; your own family history/heritage then you will come to understand; regardless of your caste, type of faith or lack of it.

Yo Kalki Kapil MORON !!!
Do you undetrstand the separation of Church and State ? What the fug is danger for Nepal ? And MR IGNORAMUS HERE THINKS MAKING NEPAL A HINDU STATE IS GOING TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS he eh
HINDUISM IS THE MOST TOLERANT RELIGION IN THE WORLD ? ha ha ha YOUR BRAIN MUST BE FULL OF SHIT. Is that why they are always fighting muslims in India ? he he
Religion should stay out of Governing a country. END OF STORY

Hey,

What is wrong with Nepal being Secular ? We are not forced to change our religion. If you are hindu, who can tell you to eat beef ? Don't eat beef, if you can then not only beef don't eat meat at all. Be a true hindu from your heart. And let others who have other religion feel a sense of religious right in Nepal. I wish Nepal and nepalese to experience democracy of everything, including religion and I am very proud that Nepal has been called a secular state.

Shiv,

Are you blind not to see that certain sections of the society benefiting from the Hindu State? Why are Brahmins where they are, the Royals where they are, and the Dalits and Janajatis where they are? It is partly due to education but mostly due to the place given by the religion. Banning caste system has done little to correct this Historic Wrong. I think removing Hindu tag will be a symbol of telling all the people that we are all equal. In addition, why do you think Nepal Government manipulates census data to categorize all Janajatis as Hindus? This is to give Brahmins and Chettris, who comprise of 30% of Nepali population more power.

Just like a White man sees no racism in the US, a high caste Hindu sees no problem with the Hindu State of Nepal. Shiv, Imi and the Gang suffers from the same White Man and Racism syndrome. You guys cannot put yourself in a Janajati, Dalit, or Non-Hindu's shoes and see their perspective of the Hindu State.

If you think Nepali Society is secular, then why do we need to call it a "Hindu State?" Let us just call it a secular state. Why are you so unsecured without the state backing your religion?

Thanks for your advice on searching for my identity but No thanks. I am comfortable with who I am and what my beliefs are. I am not so shallow that I need a state’s help to know my identity.

"Why are Brahmins where they are, the Royals where they are, and the Dalits and Janajatis where they are"
This is true in India, a supposedly secular country, which elects religious minorities as leaders just to pay lip-service to the pro-secularism crowd. Even a retard knows that Hindu nationalism is on the rise in India, a supposedly secular country. Not just that, India's whole tech boom can be attributed to South Indian brahmins and upper castes. Why are you oblivious to this point?

Secondly, I am okay with the AMERICAN version of secularism, which separates church and state in name only. All these faith-based groups that are funded by the government are predominantly Christian groups. In other words, the government aids Christians directly, and yet claims that they are for separation of Church and state. I, for one, will be totally fine if *WE* follow America's version of secularism, which will in fact guarantee that Hindus will still be the dominant force in Nepal. If we take the India approach, whose government just thumbs its nose on religions, then extremism will definitely rise, because that's the only way you can be heard. In America, they keep stressing the fact that the country was founded on Judeo-Christian tradition. So it's obvious to me that Christians just dominate America. Hindus should and must dominate Nepal as well, because we are the MAJORITY. Which model do you want to follow, India's model, the country South of Nepal, which is basically an utter failure, or the model of America, the most powerful country in the world, whose basic governing philosophy is to pay lip service to the liberal crowd, yet doesn't do anything to separate the church from the state? What about Bush's faith-based initiatives? One could easily argue that that's an infringement on one's religious freedom.
The thrust of my argument is this: America is a success story, while India, as of now, is an utter failure. India's secularism is such that the government refuses to take any actions in terms of religion, while the American government launches faith-based initiatives(funding goes almost exclusively to Christian groups) all the time. Now the problem here is that there's no turning back because the maoists will stir up a riot. We just need to choose which type of secularism we want to follow.

Pat,
Since u mentioned my Name and that to in the catergory of racist(which i
requested not to use)i had to speak.If u don't know my stance please don't mention my name.I am not racist and please don't force me to be one.

your claim of white man syndrome -here is what i have to say ,yes it is the white man who exploited black man but it is the white man who is in favor of
affirmative action and democracy.If not then u r friends in IRAN are more
democratic and non-racist.

U are Blind:
-u r blind because u don't see coming future of Nepal. -u don't see what christian missionaries preach to innocent villagers against hinduism.
-u don't see that this proclamtion is another way of sideling major problem of the country -u don't see who are using divide and rule policies.

U are racist:
-by calling other racist who don't have racist stance
-by alienting majority race and favoring minority race.
-by shaking hands with SPAM who are bunch of racist bastards.
-by racist because favoring SPAM for bringing up racist agenda to divided
undivide nepal.

u are undemocratic:
-by calling democratic countries undemocratic
-by using proclamation instead of people vote
-by hiding under commies camp
-by ignoring what majority of nepalese want

u are shallow
-by not listening to the thread carefully and jumping in
-by not having enough understanding of social,culural ,historic,ecnomic
context of nepal
-by blaming religion instead of system (easy solution)
-by thinking SPAM is doing right things and this is one of thier biggest achievements.

And if possible if u want civil discussion,please refrain from calling names.will appreciate it.Sorry to call u racist but u provoked me.

serious guy, i don't want any of that sort of secularism.I want people of nepal to live in peace that was possible in hindu nepal.which remains no more.

Imi,

That was unwarranted. It just shows that your brain is full of crap just like the crap that you wrote and you do not have ability to discuss in a civil manner.

SeriousGuy,

I second the American version of Secularism although I have serious concerns with George Bush's faith based funding. George Bush trampled into the area of separation of State and Church by starting the faith based groups and many Americans have problems with it.

Hinduism is so deeply rooted in our society that no one can take it away from us. However, I believe more secular environment will be healthy for the religions in Nepal including Hinduism. With the State backing, and restrictions on missionaries, Hindus have been lazy and stopped evolving. A little infusion of competition from other missionaries and public debate should be taken positively. To thwart other competition from other missionaries, high caste Hindus should start treating the disadvantaged Hindus and Janajatis better. We need an apology for the caste system from the high caste to the lower caste for centuries of discrimination. If there is competition with other religions, then there would be more public pressure for Pashupati's Bhatt's to put the billions of rupees raised in charity instead of their pocket. I think ultimately disadvantaged Hindus and Janajatis will be the biggest winner of a more secular environment.

pata,
that is an interesting observation...never thought of it that way...but personally this "war" for me is not about what religion turns out the "winner" .... to me it is a battle for pride and dignity...sete haru le bajaeko ghanti ma kati matra nachne ho hami .. hetteri tauko dukhcha mero tyo sochera..especially, after all the shit i have gone through in their hands here in usa...yaha ta nachae, thikai cha, aba aafnai desh ma pani sete haruko dhun ma nachna parne? tyo kura pachauna sakirako chaina maile...israel has banned missionaries or proselytize, tara western world has no problem with that, ani india they try to do the same thing in some states and vatican is pissed off ... is it so that only the whites can do whatever they want? and we have to do whatever they want??? ke ho testo??? haina mero matra bheja garam hune ho ki saathi haru haruko pani?

No my friend PAt , i had applozies with it and gave u reasons too but in summary.Sorry if u got offended. i have been puting my points in civil manner till now .U started it by calling me racist so and shows ur inability to discuss in civil manners.i hear u my fren u do write good though..please respect and try to understand other writing too and undestand what stance they are taking.Like the last one u wrote u heard serious guy.No comments on what kind of secularism we want as i didn't wanted it.

Nepal should not be Hindu Nation if you believe in Democracy, such world only suitable in autocratic regime, such as Bhutan, Arabian nation, sajha don't delete my posting, if you are democrats. I have been watching you guy, you are little bit bias, I could not understand why, whether this is only for you guys, or for very body, if so let me write. I thought we have democracy only on paper not in our behavior. I know all of you are conservative Hindu and you been taught that way.Never foreget, thouse of who are doctor and engineer now, you forefather were working as Dhoke and Pahale and Bhanchhe of Rana and Shah,.